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Post  collectiques on Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:18 pm

I thought it might be a good idea to have a thread devoted to some of the constant debates surrounding some Crown Lynn or potentially non Crown Lynn pieces ...

For a start - how about we discuss the condiment set so often identified as Crown Lynn - Frank Carpay..

What do you think? - I only have one piece of it...but this is the pattern in question...



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Frank Carpay(?) Condiment set

Post  Guest on Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:20 am

Thanks for raising that question. I have two sets in black and white but have seen blue and I think yellow in the same set. I would love to know if these are firstly Crown Lynn and then obviously whether they were associated with Frank Carpay... Heather : Rolling Eyes : : Question

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Post  collectiques on Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:31 am

funnily enough I also found a salt & pepper in dark green just yesterday... would still love to know what others think about the set... surfing
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I had a part set

Post  smoocher on Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:57 am

In the green colour. Had the mustard pot and the wee mustard spoon with it. As I couldnt verify whether or not it was CL, I sold it with the heading Frank Carpy era. I still dont know for sure, but going by the feel of them, they just didnt feel right to me.

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Post  shazz on Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:38 am

I agree with smoocher, I had the salt and pepper set alone, and they felt more like porclain than anything Shocked
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Post  collectiques on Sat May 10, 2008 2:21 am



Heres a better photo example of the set ...kindly supplied by Krystal24

As above I've seen people attribute this to Frank Carpay and others question if it is even Crown Lynn...if anyone could shed some light on the mystery ...or even if you have an opinion...please join in... thanx
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Condiment set

Post  sirod on Sat May 10, 2008 4:38 am

In my opinion, NOT FRANK CARPAY AND NOT CROWN LYNN

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Question - resolved

Post  collectiques on Mon May 26, 2008 1:39 am

During our last sunday night chat session - the "frank carpay" condiment set was discussed briefly and Jeff was of the opinion that they definitely were NOT Frank Carpays work and it also might be unlikely that they were manufactured by Crown Lynn as they don't appear on the production sheets.

Thanks for that infomation Jeff and the other posters on this topic...I hope it helps collectors make informed buying decisions in the future. arms
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Post  golden_kiwi on Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:57 am

We had the dark green set when I was a kid. We lived in West Auckland...& had heaps of Crown Lynn! But I'm no help at all as I have no idea who made ours as it has long since disappeared (to the op shop no doubt). I have noticed that different sets for sale do seem to have noticably different stripes. Do these come with any markings at all??
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Post  TimCaulton on Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:02 am

ok gotta put in my 2 cents. First I know no nothing.....but all the carpay stuff I have seen is hand painted and kinda got that child did the design look.

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Post  collectiques on Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:27 am

Here's a base photo of mine as promised hazedaze - hope that helps Smile


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"Carpays' bottom :-)

Post  hazedaze on Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:57 pm

Thankyou Jo. Mine does look just the same. No backstamp or marks either! Where the salt is chipped, it's quite a white chalky type texture underneath. Not porcelain I don't think. Quite rough to the touch.

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oh dear...

Post  collectiques on Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:30 am

176036231

and so the saga continues...

Great example of the dangers of attributing on a website... for some reason a lot of people take what they read as gospel...no questions asked.

Will be interesting to see the outcome...

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Post  ev on Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:40 pm

The Crown Lynn Display at the New Lynn Library has a set of those condiments in it...
I didn't realise how big they were as I had never seen them before.
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Post  collectiques on Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:24 pm

ev wrote:The Crown Lynn Display at the New Lynn Library has a set of those condiments in it...
I didn't realise how big they were as I had never seen them before.

Interesting stuff ev... Can you recall if the New Lynn Library attributes them to Frank Carpay? Very Happy

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Post  ev on Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:34 am

No idea.... as I wasn't that interested in them.
I see there is another auction for a similar set with a buy now of $5 ...
176839899 .......attributed to Karpay [sic]!
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Post  collectiques on Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:53 am

193063398

another 'carpay' listing ...

Just for everyones information I posted a set of this design to an international pottery site and no one seemed to recognise it there either... Very Happy

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Just a typo I reckon :-)

Post  hazedaze on Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:38 am

These are the ones made by Frank Carpark. lol!

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An update on the condiment set debate...

Post  collectiques on Mon Feb 09, 2009 4:35 am

I met a man recently who worked for Crown Lynn for many years - from a cadetship through to Head Chemist and then Management positions.

I showed him an example of the condiment set we've been discussing and he said it was probably before his time as he started in the early 60's.
He didn't consider though that it was Crown Lynn clay used in the sets in his professional opinion.

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LETS END THIS DEBATE ...

Post  crownlynn on Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:42 am

[b]...by saying that this has nothing whatsoever to do with Crown Lynn...its not a condiment set made by them and definately NOT attributed to Frank Carpay...he would turn in his grave at the thought of it!!!....
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Post  collectiques on Mon Feb 09, 2009 12:55 pm

surfing best answer I've read all week!

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Post  hazedaze on Fri Feb 13, 2009 3:18 am

Thanks Jeff. This one has finally been 'put to bed' once and for all.

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Post  collectiques on Mon Mar 02, 2009 5:43 am

ev wrote:The Crown Lynn Display at the New Lynn Library has a set of those condiments in it...
I didn't realise how big they were as I had never seen them before.

I popped into the New Lynn Library today to check out the display... I couldn't find ' a 'crown lynn' condiment set on display - I wonder if they've withdrawn it...or maybe I just missed it? Shocked

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Still the debate goes on

Post  shazz on Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:59 pm

I personally owned a piece of this condiment set, and I have never felt another piece of crown lynn like it... it feels like china too me. If it's crown lynn or even frank carpay.. it was made in another part of the world lol. Im sorry.. I just cant bring myself to belive that they are c/lynn beammeupscotty
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