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Post  hazedaze on Sun Apr 26, 2009 1:22 am

A lovely vase with flutes and swags around the top. Can vaguely make out 4 numbers on the base. Hopefully 2085, but too feint to see any dots or not! Does it ring any bells Shazz?

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Post  collectiques on Sun Apr 26, 2009 2:13 am

Hiya Haze - I think thats a Titian/Crown Lynn period vase - 2085 as I hae that one too.

I'm pretty sure the shape is on the CL shape guide as an earlier number - have a quick squizz you should be able to find it Very Happy

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Post  savvy7 on Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:38 am

collectiques wrote:Hiya Haze - I think thats a Titian/Crown Lynn period vase - 2085 as I hae that one too.

I'm pretty sure the shape is on the CL shape guide as an earlier number - have a quick squizz you should be able to find it Very Happy

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My guess would be Crown Lynn

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Post  hazedaze on Sun Apr 26, 2009 10:17 am

Thanks Jo and savvy.

I did have a quick browse before I posted, but only a quick scoot for the number eg 1-199 etc. and didn't look at the photos. Just saw there wasn't four digits and checked the Titian!!! I shall have to go back and look at the photos!!!! Thanks heaps.

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Post  collectiques on Sun Apr 26, 2009 10:23 am

I spent so much time loading them...it just came to me... 673 lol!

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Post  hazedaze on Sun Apr 26, 2009 10:37 am

You must see shape numbers in your sleep lol! Just found it thanks Jo when your email popped through. That'll teach me to look!

Does the 4 digit numbers mean that the same shape was reproduced later with a 3 digit number; or was the 4 digit the earlier one? Either way, what would be the dates please?

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Post  collectiques on Sun Apr 26, 2009 11:11 am

4 digits were later - that one was first produced in 1971 or should I say reproduced Very Happy

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how comes I didnt see this message

Post  shazz on Sun Apr 26, 2009 11:16 am

scratch coz I would have said "yes, Crown Lynn .. I had 2 " lol
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Post  hazedaze on Sun Apr 26, 2009 7:14 pm

Thought I might have had a wee 'find', but....!! Common as muck lol! I also picked up another one which looks like a big shallow 'trophy cup' with fine handles, but unfortunately, its Beswick!

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Post  hazedaze on Sun Apr 26, 2009 11:19 pm

1971. Thankyou Jo.

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Post  Titian on Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:16 am

Hi Hazedaze, Jo and Shazz
I think you were right Hazedaze. This was a Titian mould that seems to have been transfered to CL when Titian became a subsidiary in 1967 or after. The shape is similar to the CL # 673, but that one was quite a bit smaller than the Titian one. If you put the pics side by side you can see the moulding differences too, esp. the rim decoration.
I can't make out the numbers on the ones here unfortunately. The Titian number looks like it was 'something 106'. It is one of the larger Titian vases.

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Post  hazedaze on Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:35 am

Thanks Titian for clarifying this. Really appreciated.

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Post  collectiques on Mon Apr 27, 2009 7:40 pm

Titian wrote:Hi Hazedaze, Jo and Shazz
I think you were right Hazedaze. This was a Titian mould that seems to have been transfered to CL when Titian became a subsidiary in 1967 or after. The shape is similar to the CL # 673, but that one was quite a bit smaller than the Titian one. If you put the pics side by side you can see the moulding differences too, esp. the rim decoration.
I can't make out the numbers on the ones here unfortunately. The Titian number looks like it was 'something 106'. It is one of the larger Titian vases.

yep you're quite right - should have read the measurements the 2085 doesn't have a transfer note (which they did on many of the mould transfers) and is 6 3/4 inches high called 'fluted bowl"

whereas the 673 doesn't have a height on the notes but was called 'Urn type vase with ornate edge' first date 1963 (normally but not always if its a mould transfer it seems to have Titian in brackets in the notes

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Post  hazedaze on Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:12 pm

Gosh Jo. I don't think they realised how complicated they were going to make things for everyone! Instead of bringing out the 'exact' same vase with a new number, why didn't they just modify the pattern a bit, say with a 'bobble' or two between some of the top flutes to make it a bit easier!!!?? Rolling Eyes

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Post  collectiques on Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:18 pm

well in essence they did both really Crown Lynn had their moulds and Titian had theirs until CL bought Titian - then it got a little more complicated Shocked

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Post  hazedaze on Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:24 pm

Ahh! I see. Just to let you know 'I don't do complicated' Jo. I shall leave that for you knowledgeable guys to help me out. doh Laughing

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Post  collectiques on Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:40 pm

hazedaze wrote:Ahh! I see. Just to let you know 'I don't do complicated' Jo. I shall leave that for you knowledgeable guys to help me out. doh Laughing

I'm revamping the entire forum at the moment in the background - thats complicated enough for everyone Shocked lol! I think I'm nearly there though... had no idea it was so complicated to move things around ... Shocked

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Post  hazedaze on Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:56 pm

It's looking fantastic Jo. (I'd take my hat off to you if I had one!) I don't know how you do it all! I can't even load a photo without banjaxing it up, as you know Embarassed lol!

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Post  collectiques on Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:04 pm

aww thanks haze ...but you can't see the new improved version yet so the old one must be looking ok...hehehe

I'll be sending out a newsletter and emailing people directly when its ready - the software change will mean a new password for everyone to access the first time but apart from that there shouldn't be too many differences - hopefully only improvements Very Happy

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Post  hazedaze on Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:17 pm

My statement was a bit vague wasn't it! Sorry. That's what I really meant Jo, was that it's looking great just now. Can't imagine how it can be improved upon, but can't wait to see. Before these current changes, (and after I changed from Dinasaur dialup to broadband), it still took quite some time to download the shape guide almost thumbnail by thumbnail; but now....it's ACE. Very Happy

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Post  Titian on Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:57 am

collectiques wrote: the 2085 doesn't have a transfer note (which they did on many of the mould transfers) and is 6 3/4 inches high called 'fluted bowl"

whereas the 673 doesn't have a height on the notes but was called 'Urn type vase with ornate edge' first date 1963 (normally but not always if its a mould transfer it seems to have Titian in brackets in the notes

Great info Jo, Thanks!
Any idea how many of the later shapes the notes record as transfered Titian moulds?

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Post  collectiques on Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:58 am

Titian wrote:

Great info Jo, Thanks!
Any idea how many of the later shapes the notes record as transfered Titian moulds?

ummm a lot ...too many to count today will tally them up when I've finished the new site - interestingly enough theres Titian in brackets and Chch in brackets (Chch I assume is a reference to Luke Adams) Very Happy

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Post  Titian on Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:10 am

That's really interesting Jo. I can't say I remember seeing any Crown Lynn pots that look like they may have once been Luke Adams. Enthusiastically awaiting further details... bounce

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Post  collectiques on Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:29 am

Titian wrote:That's really interesting Jo. I can't say I remember seeing any Crown Lynn pots that look like they may have once been Luke Adams. Enthusiastically awaiting further details... bounce

I'm not sure what it means ... perhaps they were just using CL modelers for their work... ...perhaps they were being sent to chch...? maybe they were made at the luke adams factory in chch ...like the ngakura was ... hrrrmm not sure...

an example : "1185 Air NZ Maori pattern ashtray (" " ) .....(sic).........14.8.73"

("") continuing a line of (Chch) ... Very Happy

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