Unmarked Crown Lynn Items
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Unmarked Crown Lynn Items
as there's some items out there confirmed as Crown Lynn, but unmarked.. perhaps we could have a topic here for unmarked items and thier photos. I would suggest that if you would like to add a photo, please have it confirmed atleast 3 times by 3 seperate known collectors OR even if you have an item that still has the sticker on it. I came accorss another unmarked item yesterday that was confirmed to be Crown lynn, yet I have never seen it before, so they are out there. I myself have a couple of items confirmed by 2 well Known collector's. This will be a difficult process, but I feel if 3 seperate people confirm, we should be right. People are free too add comments about these items.. questions aswell. Most of our confirmation people are members of this site, it may take some time.. but I feel well worth it in the end.
shazz- Editor - Titian
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Unmarked Crown Lynn Items
I'm wondering if it'd be useful in determining whether something is or isn't Crown Lynn to have people provide the evidence behind their opinions.
This might avoid some of those pointless struggles that take place on TradeMe that just seem to consist of "Yes, it is", "No, it's not" - an anonymous "expert" said so. Bit like American court cases where three hired experts say one thing and three others the opposite.
I think the largest publicly accessible sources of information on Crown Lynn are in the Auckland Museum and at New Lynn Library. Perhaps someone could compare opinions with the archives there.
If photos of unmarked pieces are submitted along with photos of the same shapes that either are marked or have stickers, or a primary or published source confirming the manufacturer then the discussion will have some solidity.
This might avoid some of those pointless struggles that take place on TradeMe that just seem to consist of "Yes, it is", "No, it's not" - an anonymous "expert" said so. Bit like American court cases where three hired experts say one thing and three others the opposite.
I think the largest publicly accessible sources of information on Crown Lynn are in the Auckland Museum and at New Lynn Library. Perhaps someone could compare opinions with the archives there.
If photos of unmarked pieces are submitted along with photos of the same shapes that either are marked or have stickers, or a primary or published source confirming the manufacturer then the discussion will have some solidity.
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Re: Unmarked Crown Lynn Items
I agree for the most part except even a published source can have errors...
as mentioned in another thread - this is the reason I'd prefer just to deal with numbered examples at this stage. Then it is just factual.
People seem keen to protect their secret sources and I guess from a collecting perspective thats understandable BUT ...and you're right Tony, I think its important that we try to stay away from opinion and just stick to the basics on this project...if at all possible. There have already been a couple of shapes that don't match opinion versus numbers... so there is probably going to be a few examples along the way that will take a while to pin point an exact number to.
A couple of options ... post the photo with a query or question mark underneath....(perhaps that way someone else might have a numbered version to confirm) ...or omit them until we can finalise.
Perhaps we could post the unmarked versions in this thread as well - until someone can come up with a numbered version of the shape?
Or lastly if opinion must be used - then I think the opinion should be cited publically as a reference ...I'd be interested in everyones thoughts on that.
as mentioned in another thread - this is the reason I'd prefer just to deal with numbered examples at this stage. Then it is just factual.
People seem keen to protect their secret sources and I guess from a collecting perspective thats understandable BUT ...and you're right Tony, I think its important that we try to stay away from opinion and just stick to the basics on this project...if at all possible. There have already been a couple of shapes that don't match opinion versus numbers... so there is probably going to be a few examples along the way that will take a while to pin point an exact number to.
A couple of options ... post the photo with a query or question mark underneath....(perhaps that way someone else might have a numbered version to confirm) ...or omit them until we can finalise.
Perhaps we could post the unmarked versions in this thread as well - until someone can come up with a numbered version of the shape?
Or lastly if opinion must be used - then I think the opinion should be cited publically as a reference ...I'd be interested in everyones thoughts on that.
Last edited by collectiques on Thu Sep 18, 2008 6:39 pm; edited 1 time in total
Re: Unmarked Crown Lynn Items
I think one of the benefits of starting with published sources is that they give something solid to make a comparison with. You can cite a particular comment published on a certain date and then compare it with any new information that comes to hand.
Gail Henry's archives are in the Auckland Museum and Valerie Monk's in the New Lynn library. They're both going to contain material that wasn't in their books. Other sources will confirm what has been published or invite a reconsideration.
As an example on p128 of the first edition of Gail Henry's book it says that the Ambrico acronym was known from about 1946 or 1947. Anecdotal evidence suggested a much earlier date and on this basis a search was made of periodicals from the 1940s. An Ambrico ad was found in the Auckland Weekly News of November 26, 1941 naming Smith & Chisholm of Box 985, Auckland as the N. Z. Distributors of "AMBRICO" Insulators.
Someone with the time, energy and access to copies of the AWN could probably push this date back earlier by searching issue by issue.
Gail Henry's archives are in the Auckland Museum and Valerie Monk's in the New Lynn library. They're both going to contain material that wasn't in their books. Other sources will confirm what has been published or invite a reconsideration.
As an example on p128 of the first edition of Gail Henry's book it says that the Ambrico acronym was known from about 1946 or 1947. Anecdotal evidence suggested a much earlier date and on this basis a search was made of periodicals from the 1940s. An Ambrico ad was found in the Auckland Weekly News of November 26, 1941 naming Smith & Chisholm of Box 985, Auckland as the N. Z. Distributors of "AMBRICO" Insulators.
Someone with the time, energy and access to copies of the AWN could probably push this date back earlier by searching issue by issue.
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awsome Jo
your idea is much much more realistic than mine lol.. thats kinda what I had in mind when I wrote out the message I think I got's up toooo early hehe
shazz- Editor - Titian
- Number of posts : 521
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Location : Timaru
I collect or have an interest in: : Titian & Crown Lynn
Registration date : 2008-03-12
Re: Unmarked Crown Lynn Items
I've been told that Valerie Monk's archives are actually in the Waitakere Library rather than New Lynn (thanks Ev). Waitakere City also has Jack Diamond's archives which cover the history of West Auckland. His 'Once ... The Wilderness' is a comprehensive study of the area from the Whau west.
Dick Scott's 'Fire on the Clay - The Pakeha Comes to West Auckland' also has valuable info about the heavy clay and pottery industries in the area.
The Auckland Museum's archives hold lots of records and papers relating to Crown Lynn and the NRAM website has descriptions of Crown Lynn, Crum, Gardner and Amalgamated records: nram.org.nz/
Some of the Crown Lynn material further confuses the shape number situation as lists there record the re-use of numbers at different times and also the re-numbering of shapes. One simple numerical sequence will need to be able to cover both these realities.
Dick Scott's 'Fire on the Clay - The Pakeha Comes to West Auckland' also has valuable info about the heavy clay and pottery industries in the area.
The Auckland Museum's archives hold lots of records and papers relating to Crown Lynn and the NRAM website has descriptions of Crown Lynn, Crum, Gardner and Amalgamated records: nram.org.nz/
Some of the Crown Lynn material further confuses the shape number situation as lists there record the re-use of numbers at different times and also the re-numbering of shapes. One simple numerical sequence will need to be able to cover both these realities.
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