The Great Crown Lynn Ginger Jar Debate

**shazz** Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:35 pm

auction number 149231033 is this for real?? lots of questions, and curiosity ~also alot of bewildered people chaplin

**collectiques** Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:57 pm

well it's an enigma to me... I'm in two minds about discussing it too much before auction close...I in no way want to "scuttle" someones auction...

but I really have no clue about Crown Lynn ginger jars and would love to know more about this ...

while we're at it... "Frank Carpay" mustard sets....the consensus seems to be that they definitely arent by him...but still they are actively promoted as his... some people don't even think they are CL....

please solve these mysteries for us..... fishing

**shazz** Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:45 pm

recently that some items were made for the Japanese marked , but I cant remember if they were marked with a japanese mark lol.. anyways, I found another one under "chinese" pottery lol. funny, you never see anything then all of a sudden the pop up all over the show hehe Shocked

**collectiques** Sun Apr 13, 2008 12:43 am

there are a lot of collectors saying its CL.... "KIENHUA CROWN LYNN " anyone know anything about this?...
there is a reference to Gail Henry's book...might have a look through tomorrow.

study

**shazz** Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:00 pm

that its Japanese Suspect

got to feel sorry for the winner of it . I wonder if the seller knows that the un answered Q's can be seen after the auction closes lol

**collectiques** Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:10 pm

now the auction is over ...that really irks me when a trader purposely covers up information that might shed some light on the reality or not...I personally think its highly unlikely to be Crown Lynn...and even more so now

webgrl Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:34 pm

This whole saga lead me on a bit of a hunt as I personally have a policy, if I don't know I won't guess, I ask around. I read all the questions after the auction including the ones not answered and all I can say is I feel sorry for the buyer. That trader knows whats really going on, what that trader doesn't know is that Karma has hairy armpits lol

ev Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:39 pm

**collectiques** Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:52 pm

webgrl wrote:what that trader doesn't know is that Karma has hairy armpits lol

love it!!

**collectiques** Fri Apr 18, 2008 5:58 pm

hey guys - if you havent already...check out this other ginger jar auction... 150131566 Very Happy

**collectiques** Fri Apr 18, 2008 6:03 pm

love your avatar photo... who's the maker? ...saw a dish just like that this morning..funny.. cool

webgrl Fri Apr 18, 2008 8:23 pm

collectiques wrote:love your avatar photo... who's the maker? ...saw a dish just like that this morning..funny..

Why thank you flower

I got it this week, its by Pattie Cocker a Kiwi, I love it! Where did you see the one you saw?

**collectiques** Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:32 pm

just down my local haunts ...but ...I thought it was stunning...wonder if it was the same pottery or just similar...might have to go back and check it out fishing

Duffy Tue May 13, 2008 1:00 pm

(Merged topic by admin)
Recently there has been a lot of discussion on trademe about whether Crown Lynn made a particular style of ginger jar. The ginger jar in question has Chinese symbols on the bottom and the word "China" however some people said they had the same ginger jar with Crown Lynn backstamps. I was wondering if anyone who had that could post an image on this site to show that Crown Lynn did actually make them. Some Crown Lynn experts said they were definitely not Crown Lynn, so wanted to try and clarify the situation. Any discussion would be greatly appreciated.

Duffy Question

**collectiques** Tue May 13, 2008 11:17 pm

Hiya Duffy ...yes we've had a bit of a discussion about the ginger jars...I'll move this post over to the original topic on ginger jars...and you'll be able to read back...

Cheers Jo

Duffy Wed May 14, 2008 8:47 am

The debates on trademe have been hilarious. My understanding is that Tom Clark told somebody that CL made them. I had the marks on the base translated and "Kienhua" is Cantonese for China and the two symbols basically mean "Made in" so all it says is "Made in China." But the two dots either side are very Crown Lynn-like. I would like 'crownlynn' or other experts opinion on this... There are a lot of the ginger jars around so they definitely can't be described as 'rare.'

**collectiques** Wed May 14, 2008 9:10 am

yeah they have been pretty hilarious... cheers

we did briefly discuss it on one of our chat nights a few sunday's ago... I think it would be fair to say the shared view was that they aren't Crown Lynn... scooter

**TimCaulton** Tue May 27, 2008 10:52 pm

I once went to a talk given by John Perry and he was talking about some sort of CL ginger jar.....said he found the moulds for it there or something

**collectiques** Wed May 28, 2008 8:36 am

thats interesting...thats what Duffy said yesterday when I met her too ...

the mystery continues...

I wonder if someone knows John Perry and could ask him for definite about these moulds and what they looked like?

**TimCaulton** Wed May 28, 2008 10:40 am

John was at Cordys last night, I often see him at the auctions, but don't know him. Only been to his shop once before, years ago

Guest Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:23 pm

When Tom Clark was questioned about putting "Made in China" on the ginger jars he said that it meant made out of china as well as the more obvious manufactured in China. I know that many shards of the Kienhua ginger jars were found at a Crown Lynn site and that there are examples of the jars that also have Crown Lynn backstamps on them.

Although there are traders claiming items are Crown Lynn that aren't or describing them as "Crown Lynn?" the ginger jar has long been known to be a Crown Lynn product.

The "no, it isn't" view isn't supported by any evidence.

**collectiques** Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:18 am

Yahh and the debate continues...all good stuff and great infromation

Now all we need is a version with a crown lynn backstamp...or some definitive information

Everyone keep an eye out... alien

**TimCaulton** Tue Jun 17, 2008 11:08 pm

anyone got a photo of one of these things, not 100% certain what one looks like...... Question

**collectiques** Tue Jun 17, 2008 11:12 pm

TimCaulton wrote:anyone got a photo of one of these things, not 100% certain what one looks like......

the only current auction I could find for a pic...is this ... 160210185
missing a lid though...hopefully one of our lovely members can post a proper photo soon Wink

**TimCaulton** Tue Jun 17, 2008 11:19 pm

oh yep I have seen those, there was one here one time a pink one

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