Re: The Great Crown Lynn Ginger Jar Debate

**TimCaulton** Tue Jun 17, 2008 11:23 pm

whats the correct spelling of that Kie....???

**TimCaulton** Tue Jun 17, 2008 11:25 pm

KIENHUA?

**collectiques** Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:29 am

yep ...KIENHUA...apparently...now reading the old Q & A from that old auction ...some people reckon the mould maker was Vic Lawson and someone had the remains of a label which read "Tim Products The Parade Island Bay Wellington" ...someone also suggested they were made around 1946 ...?????

laurie Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:59 am

I recently saw a cheap lightweight version painted in garish pink & purple with the pattern not very well defined - could kick myself for not buying it - didn't many of the Crown Lynn moulds go to a hobby ceramics outfit such as Arnels?

**TimCaulton** Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:10 pm

Found this jar today, nice blue colour, made by rebel crown lynn workers who went back to the future and used thermite to melt the glaze so there wouldn't be any trace of their technology......the mystery continues. I have a T888 on it.

The Great Crown Lynn Ginger Jar Debate - Page 2 Bluegingerjarsmall

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**TimCaulton** Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:01 pm

Anyone ever tried looking up that mark on real chinese pottery, there is a large collection of marks somewhere on the net. I found it one time and used it for some pots I have.....

**collectiques** Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:31 pm

I haven't compared the mark with chinese marks...wish my taiwanese friend was around...I'd get her to read it... I'm told though it says "made in china" .... thinking

"T888" is more than interesting though... thinking

ev Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:08 pm

...... but isn't that the same markings on Tim's ginger jar -
that were on the ones that were claimed to be made by Crown Lynn? Suspect

**shazz** Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:27 pm

it's "unmarked" hmmmmmmmmmm but similar hmmmm drunken

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ev Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:47 pm

I prefer the cobalt blue one of Tim's ..... it's quite stunning.... the green looks insipid Razz

**collectiques** Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:52 pm

It's not the same pattern is it? ....I think its quite different ...

**shazz** Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:39 pm

thats my point ... it's unmarked aswell... perhaps this is the infamous "ginger jar" ?!?! Suspect

tigger Mon Jun 23, 2008 2:16 am

I have definitely seen a couple of clearly marked CL examples on TM, though none recently. But the spate of "rare" Kien Hua" alledgedly CL examples is just crazy. but it doesn't seem to have stopped the sellers collecting the money!

passingtime Sat Jun 28, 2008 4:22 pm

Had dinner with John Perry a while ago and the topic came up about these jars.He says they are crown lynn.

laurie Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:28 pm

Yes, he told me that too! They are different from any other ginger jars, have all the CL faults (chips & lumps glazed over, missing glaze) and are only in early CL colours & I like them actually sunny

**collectiques** Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:43 pm

yes but does anyone have a photo of a ginger jar with crown lynn backstamp ... I've been told they are out there but we havent come across one yet.

I mean I was thinking ..ok..supposedly shards were found in the factory grounds ...as well...

What say for example - just thinking outside the square here...that CL imported glazes from china and they came in ginger jars... these Keihuna backstamps with chinese script sure don't sounds very kiwi...

**TimCaulton** Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:29 pm

collectiques wrote:yes but does anyone have a photo of a ginger jar with crown lynn backstamp ... I've been told they are out there but we havent come across one yet.

I mean I was thinking ..ok..supposedly shards were found in the factory grounds ...as well...

What say for example - just thinking outside the square here...that CL imported glazes from china and they came in ginger jars... these Keihuna backstamps with chinese script sure don't sounds very kiwi...

and yet is their a record of these pots anywhere outside NZ?? Has anyone ever seen one thats no it Grannys cupboard or at the Salvation Army......I tell you it was John Connor and his bud Cam.

**TimCaulton** Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:31 pm

Hey where's the edit feature I made a spelling mistake !!!

passingtime Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:26 am

Could the made in China be refering to the contents?As the jar was just packaging.
Also wasn't there large tarrifs on imports back then to protect our industries.It
may have been just the cheaper option to have the jars made here.
Just a few thoughts to ponder.

**collectiques** Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:45 am

passingtime wrote:Could the made in China be refering to the contents?

Anything is possible - although normally jar contents would be covered by a label not necessarily the base of the actual jar ...

Also we're not even sure that these jars that keep coming up on trademe "Keinkuna" ones... are the same as the ginger jars that other people refer to...?

I just wondered what other explanation there could be to finding shards of something in the factory grounds and wondered if perhaps it was an ingredient shipped in like a glaze...

You're right about the import tariffs though - it changed our furniture industry. I just wonder why any manufacturer would mark nz made goods as from another country...seems very odd to me

I guess this will all be solved if we can find one ginger jar marked with Crown Lynn - or if one were to appear on a production list....

**collectiques** Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:46 am

TimCaulton wrote:Hey where's the edit feature I made a spelling mistake !!!

sorry Tim the permissions weren't set quite right ...I've changed it and you can now edit your post Wink

passingtime Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:55 am

I can't find referance to the mark on these jars.
http://www.gotheborg.com/marks/index-china-marks.htm
any one want to double check.
"Good site for referance anyway"

**TimCaulton** Sun Jun 29, 2008 1:35 pm

passingtime wrote:I can't find referance to the mark on these jars.
http://www.gotheborg.com/marks/index-china-marks.htm
any one want to double check.
"Good site for referance anyway"

Hey thats this website I was talking about, has a pile of marks on it, very useful. chances are if the mark is not there it aint made in china.

You know lets just say you find a mould......well to make a mould you need something to make a mould from....lets increase sales and make a mould of one these original chinese jars, stamp the bottom with chinese like symbols, but just in case lets write the word CHINA (in english) for the people, so they think these come from China..hey lets add some chinese characters too.....wow look at this great new product and its from CHINA (New Lynn) Lets buy it!!!! $$$$ Groovy man...wait till my friends come over and we can eat fondue and ginger at out next social gathering........

laurie Sun Jun 29, 2008 5:42 pm

And remember the many early plates, bowls, cups etc with British, made by British craftsmen, etc on the base - different reason I know but shows they would do/say what was required in order to get sales - it's not about morality - it is called marketing Idea

**collectiques** Sun Jun 29, 2008 5:57 pm

quite right Laurie - they also had "lido British" , "Paris" "Kelston Ware British" "Ferndale British" "Wentworthware british" "Gigi British" etc etc etc ...

Wonder if their non ethical marketing strategy covered china as well? Wink

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The Great Crown Lynn Ginger Jar Debate