Re: Crown Lynn Shape Guide

**collectiques** Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:25 am

oh you're so right ...was rushing to get stuff organised ..I didnt take a good look at the guide... Embarassed

Thanks shazzy Very Happy

**collectiques** Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:37 pm

I've just updated about 50 more shapes.

I was recently given a set of notes by Ernie Cooper from his cadetship at Crown Lynn in 1964. I'll explain more about the notes at a later date as that deserves an entire topic on its own and is an extremely generous gift - Thanks Ernie Smile

These notes also contained some shape information - so I've just uploaded them.

Also just to let you know, since I added the Auckland Museum shapes to the guide I've had a number of people send in colour photographs to replace the old photos ...its been a fantastic response. Thanks very much - keep it up guys - we're now well over half way toward achieving the goal!

**collectiques** Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:04 pm

similar to 673.... but wrong height ... anyone know the other number?

Crown Lynn Shape Guide - Page 6 Cl208510

**collectiques** Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:03 am

possible 357...

this one has no numbers ...applied loop handles ...what do others think when you compare the 357 on the shape guide?

Crown Lynn Shape Guide - Page 6 Dscf0015

spot20 Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:17 am

Hi Jo - wondered if you had this shape -

Crown Lynn Shape Guide - Page 6 Septem10

**collectiques** Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:36 am

Hiya spot20 Smile

does it have any marks or numbers on the base by any chance? Very Happy

spot20 Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:16 am

I dont have it anymore but it was #2093 cat

spot20 Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:18 am

I have another I found yesterday with Flair Art pottery on the base - its very cool - is it to do with Crown Lynn?? I will take photo later cool

**collectiques** Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:27 am

spot20 wrote:I have another I found yesterday with Flair Art pottery on the base - its very cool - is it to do with Crown Lynn?? I will take photo later

yes it is ...Flair Art Pottery was a Crown Lynn backstamp thought to be from the 60's according to Valerie Ringer Monk's book Very Happy

**collectiques** Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:35 am

spot20 wrote:I dont have it anymore but it was #2093

It doesn't seem to have a corresponding 3 digit number ...and first made about 1973 - I'll save it to our files anyway though for the future - Thanks spot20 Very Happy

**shazz** Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:52 am

its a nicey one!! My Mummy has one, and every time I go there I try to take it home with me.. she tells me off lol. good size too Very Happy

Titian Tue Mar 31, 2009 4:45 pm

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Crown Lynn Shape Guide - Page 6 Brown-10

Hi Jo,
I think this one must be lucky #13.

**collectiques** Tue Mar 31, 2009 5:09 pm

Great spotting Titian ...I was looking at a similar shaped one on auction and I think you might be right cyclops

**collectiques** Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:52 pm

Crown Lynn Shape Guide - Page 6 Cl35-h10

marked 35-9

Crown Lynn Shape Guide - Page 6 Cl-her10

possible 56...

Crown Lynn Shape Guide - Page 6 Cl59-h10

I think somehow the current 56 example became back the front at some stage as this one was marked 59

**collectiques** Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:55 pm

561-63 Manukau Rd, Greenwoods Corner 638-6147

Crown Lynn Shape Guide - Page 6 Cl554-10

also a Crown Lynn 554 shape
Thanks to Heritage House Antiques for letting me photograph their stock Very Happy

**collectiques** Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:17 pm

Crown Lynn Shape Guide - Page 6 Herita10

I think we might already have this shape ... this is one huge piece of trickle glaze

**collectiques** Wed Apr 01, 2009 12:41 am

ahhh ...just found the last shape...it looks like Titian's - Crown Lynn No 86 shape Smile

**collectiques** Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:11 pm

we'd like to compare with the one we have on the shape guide currently...

Crown Lynn Shape Guide - Page 6 Cl124-12

The line drawing from the Auckland Museum notes shows this shape

Crown Lynn Shape Guide - Page 6 Cl124-13

Now apparently the shape is textured front and back so difficult to decipher the hand incised numbers ... so we're wondering if anyone else has an example of this shape perhaps its possible that someone put the wrong number to the base?... there could be any number of reasons but if we could find another 124-8 shape to compare with ...we might solve the puzzle ...

Thanks in advance for any help Smile

Titian Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:40 pm

The numbering on these Wentworth Ware native flora shapes as mentioned previously is non-standard because it employs a reference to the diameter of the plate in the final number following a slash: ie the number will look like this - 123/8 - indicating that this plate with design number 123 is around 8 inches wide. 123 will therefore also be found on smaller plates followed by 'slash 6' and 'slash 4'.
However, this is not the only interesting feature of the numbering. In form, the numbers are much smaller than other CL numbers and it seems, were applied, or 'stamped', into the still wet plates after casting, rather than being integrated into the actual mould, as is tha case with other CL shapes. The numbers look to be die-cut blocks, and as a result of different degrees of pressure in applying them, will either be beautifully clear, very faint, or in some cases non-existant.
It is possible that occasionally the wrong number block was applied to a shape, so this may also account for some inconsistencies. I will try to post a pic of a clear example of this type of hand applied numbering on a Wentworth shape.

Titian Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:54 pm

Pics of the strange Wentworth numbers:

In the first pic you can see the clear impression of the number stamp used to hand-number these bits.

Crown Lynn Shape Guide - Page 6 Wentwo10

Crown Lynn Shape Guide - Page 6 Wentwo10

In the second pic you can see (just) that this plate has been double numbered in error with what looks like two different stamps. The second number is around the rim. Others that I have of the same design and size have no numbers at all. Sorry I couldn't get a better image.

Crown Lynn Shape Guide - Page 6 Wentwo11

Crown Lynn Shape Guide - Page 6 Wentwo11

Titian Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:04 pm

I'm pretty sure I've got them right. The sketches in the guide seem to be rough approximations in some cases, but these vases can't be anything else.

# 423

Crown Lynn Shape Guide - Page 6 _423_c10

Crown Lynn Shape Guide - Page 6 _423_c10

# 425

Crown Lynn Shape Guide - Page 6 _425_c10

# 426

Crown Lynn Shape Guide - Page 6 _426_c11

# 428

Crown Lynn Shape Guide - Page 6 _428_c10

**collectiques** Fri Apr 03, 2009 4:00 pm

awesome that we solved that lil mystery ... cheers

hazedaze Sat Apr 04, 2009 12:55 pm

I didn't quite know where to put this, or if you have it already, but I thought 'Jo will fix it' LOL. I won't attempt to load it anywhere or it will probably end up in Bandywallop North anyways!

Crown Lynn Shape Guide - Page 6 Dsc03110

Crown Lynn Shape Guide - Page 6 Dsc03111

**collectiques** Sat Apr 04, 2009 1:48 pm

Hiya Hazedaze ...It looks very similar to the 616 "fish scale flower pot" - is it around 5" tall?

and no we don't have it ... we have an Auckland museum line drawing ...so a photo is wonderful - thanks Hazedaze Smile

ps the top edge is slightly different from the modelers notes but I've found that has happened before - slight variations

spot20 Sat Apr 04, 2009 2:54 pm

A piece of Flair Art Pottery - love the shape, te
mpted to keep itbut just dont have the room!!

Crown Lynn Shape Guide - Page 6 April_10

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