Royal Oak Collectors ...Salisbury Ware

**collectiques** Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:56 am

... any collectors out there???

We need some help ... because many of the Crown Lynn specials department early shapes were trickle glazed the base no's are obscured on many. So we have a few gaps at the very early numbers of the Crown Lynn shape guide.

I was hoping some people might have Salisbury Ware/Royal Oak examples that we could use to identify to earlier shapes ...

If you have could you post them here please or email me and I can post them for you....

Thanks in advance for any help Smile

**collectiques** Mon Apr 13, 2009 7:00 pm

I think in order to sort out the early Crown Lynn shape numbers - we'll have to find some Royal Oak/Salisbury pieces ...

I bought this the other day - unfortunately it doesn't have a base number but I've taken some photos in the hope that other people might have some marked versions out there in a "salisbury" type decor

As Titian pointed out - much of the trickle glaze is too thick to identify a shape number - however the blanks that Crown Lynn sold to Royal Oak might well hold the key...if anyone has any please let us know ... Very Happy

oppps servimg is again down...will have to upload shortly when its working again....be back in a bit

**collectiques** Mon Apr 13, 2009 7:54 pm

Royal Oak Collectors ...Salisbury Ware Crown_10

Royal Oak Collectors ...Salisbury Ware Crown_11

I think this is shape no 21 ... however I'm hoping we can ID the early 1-40 or so shapes by looking at Royal Oak decor ... hopefully the numbers wont be so obscured by the glaze

**collectiques** Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:03 am

Heres another example of Salisbury decor which Cooper03 kindly supplied - unfortunately no numbers on this one either ...

Royal Oak Collectors ...Salisbury Ware 86493710

**collectiques** Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:10 pm

Some examples ...here we go

Royal Oak Collectors ...Salisbury Ware Cl34-m10

Royal Oak Collectors ...Salisbury Ware 34_110

Shape no 34 in salisbury decor (sticker attached) - (NB probable Wally Silva- thanks Titian )

Royal Oak Collectors ...Salisbury Ware Cl37-m10

Royal Oak Collectors ...Salisbury Ware 37_110

Crown Lynn shape no 37

Thanks very much to Cooper03 for sending them in cheers

Titian Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:10 pm

Hi guys
Great find on the # 37 but I think the # 34 is a blank made by Wally Silva (Jova Rancich's protege). Silva had his own numbering system of impressed digits for each of the hand thrown shapes sold to Royal Oak/Salisbury. I assume these numbers were brought in at the request of Royal Oak or Owen Salisbury because they are so similar on both Silva's pots (though his are a bit smaller) and on those early CL vases.

Titian Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:15 pm

I don't think the numbers were obscured by glaze on the early moulds for the raw/trickle glazes pieces - they simply weren't there. I think they must have been incorporated later, either as the number of moulds increased and a better internal organisational system became necessary, or (more likely in my opinion), the numbers were put on at the request of one of the decorating companies to assist their own organisation and purchasing of CL blanks.

**collectiques** Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:18 pm

you're right Titian ... the 34 even looks very similar to a Rancich vase I have ...will hold fire on the 34 then ...thank you Very Happy

I notice now that the numbers are different too study

**collectiques** Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:24 pm

Titian wrote:I don't think the numbers were obscured by glaze on the early moulds for the raw/trickle glazes pieces - they simply weren't there. I think they must have been incorporated later, either as the number of moulds increased and a better internal organisational system became necessary, or (more likely in my opinion), the numbers were put on at the request of one of the decorating companies to assist their own organisation and purchasing of CL blanks.

Yes indeed -judging by the number of salisbury pieces that don't seem to have numbers either ... Shocked

spot20 Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:32 pm

Royal Oak Collectors ...Salisbury Ware April_11

and the base

Royal Oak Collectors ...Salisbury Ware April_12

**collectiques** Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:51 pm

hehe thought you'd find us spot20 ... Wink

I have what looks like an "mb" on the base ....

well a few people seem to be saying they are english ...
my CL trickle glaze is ever so slightly smaller ...comparing the two --- hard to say CL copied a lot of shapes...

what do other people think?

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